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FYI even if she is the PoA it usually isn't in effect until there is one or more medical diagnosis of incapacity (depending on what is stipulated in the PoA document).
If your Mom is suffering from dementia, what concerns do you have about POA? Do you suspect your Sister of fraudulent behavior? Of embezzling funds? Of doing an improper job?
When your Father died was your Sister ALSO the executor of his will and estate?
If you have reasons for concern (you haven't told us any), then do open a case with APS for wellness check on your Mom, let them know you have concerns, and let them know what those concerns ARE. Then provide any and all proof you are able to APS. While they will not come back to you with ANSWERS they will come back to the reporter to say they either did or did not find reasons for concern.
Also determine if your mother has in fact been diagnosed with Alzheimers or some form of dementia and is not COMPETENT. Even Alzheimers patients can be considered competent by the courts if they have lucid days. If she is assuredly not competent she cannot sign a new medical or financial POA. Unfortunately, the next step is to petition the court for conservatorship/guardianship. This can be complicated and expensive. Your best first step is to consult with an elder-issues attorney. Do not go to any attorney. A consultation should not cost a lot.
I can't imagine they would reveal any information to anyone who didn't have actual legal authority.
The POA doesn't matter until there are decisions to be made. At which point, if she is to make the decision on your mother's behalf regarding, say, a facility or a bank or a realtor, your sister will be obliged to show documentation and won't be able to act without it. But are there decisions to be made now which other family members wish to make on your mother's behalf? Or are you only suspicious about your sister's management of the bank account?
My guess is that she is unwilling to show any documentation because she doesn't have any. My guess is that she is using the term POA very loosely, and basing her claim to have POA on her being named as a joint bank account holder with your mother and quite possibly believing that it works like this. It is in fact, of course, putting the cart before the horse, but you'd be astonished how many people say "oh, uh, yes, I'm POA" when actually they mean they are next of kin, chief grocery shopper, geographically closest relative, in the room when the forms are being filled in, or whatever.
If she doesn't wish to do this I would get an elder law attorney for the next move.
Suggesting that they might be liable for something is the best way to get them moving. You might get some useful information out of it – even if just confirmation that ‘everything is OK’. It might stir up sister (who as CM said may just be assuming POA without understanding the formalities required). And it is something constructive that you have done if you do seek legal advice – more than just ‘we don’t trust her’. Keep notes of all conversations. Notes made immediately are have weight legally.
It’s probably the simplest and cheapest way for you to get something happening.
Show me the papers!
When he wasn't, I took this document and transferred all of his money into new bank accounts to prevent his then live-in girlfriend from cleaning it out.
A POA expires when a person dies. So you can't close bank accounts and things like that without a copy of the death certificate. Even if there's a will and they are the executor, they still need death certificate copies for everything.
I guess the 'proof' should be written down somewhere. Ask for it from your parents, and then from sister.
Do you feel she's abusing this power? I kind of look on being POA as being a huge nightmare, but I guess some people like it. My YB is mother's HPOA and he acts like he's her doctor. None of the rest of want to deal with it, so we just let him, but I know he's legally her Healthcare POA, so I don't fight him.
What's with your parent's lifestyles that make you feel your sister hasn't got the best interests?
Good luck.
My money is on that the PoA doesn't have to prove it to any individual (as opposed to an entity like a bank or hospital, etc), unless there's evidence of financial fraud/abuse and they've been accused... but find it hard to believe this could really be the answer. I've emailed our family's elder law attorney and am waiting for his answer. I will post it when he responds.
If you have ANY feelings something isn't right, no answers given, fishy things going on, get a didn't. Immediately!!!
My lawyer told me I should have never waited. Sibling up to all sorts of shenanigans. He said I waited too long. I believed her and had no proof of anything. Lied to me over and over.
You are entitled to see a list of assets that are given to the court when a person dies. I never got that. Of course your mom hasn't passed. You are also entitled to answers.
Took my sibling to court and found out all sorts of things. I won't go into but it was bad. Very bad.
So get a lawyer and she will have to show proof she is poa. And can get an accounting of things.
My mistake was I waited. Don't wait.
Sounds like your talking about my life for the past 5 years. You are correct……..if they’re being secretive especially when things were out in the open before there is definitely something fishy going on.
2. Another question is was your mother competent when she agreed to put your sister on the bank account?
3. Are you talking about financial and medical POAs?
4.Are they durable POAs or springing POAs? Are they time- or subject limited? When did she sign them? If your sister can't answer these questions, that might tell you something. Of course, she will probably refuse to say.
5. I have to think you've done this, but look through all your mother's papers. She may have a copy or the original.
6. Ask your sister if she had the POAs witnessed and notarized. They don't have to be but the question might shake her up a bit.
7. Do you know the name of the lawyer or firm that might have drawn up a POA? Client privacy may be an issue but explain that you are worried about fraud (but only if you are).
8. I'm assuming you've asked your father. However, if he's competent, ask him to identify all her banks, any accounts she might have at any investment firms, the names of hospitals she's been in recently, and the names of any regular or specialty physicians she's seen. You can also look through her papers to identify any of these.
9. Does your mother have lucid days? Even some people with dementia have days when they are lucid enough to make their own decisions. This is a question for her physician or dementia specialist, I think. This could be a HIPAA issue though.
10. If the POA document exists, your sister may have given it to the bank where your mother has her account. The question about whether they can say whether it exists and names your sister as the agent is probably one of privacy. You could start by calling the bank and asking them. I've noticed that not all institutions necessarily know the rules or misinterpret them so if you get a no, consider checking with the FDIC. FDIC banks have rules about sharing a customer's information with an unaffiliated third party but they are complicated. You can check the FDIC site online, or call the FDIC (eek).
11. You can consult with an elder attorney who has probably dealt with this kind of thing before. An hour or less of consultation shouldn't be prohibitive.
12. Or, for a relatively small amount of money, talk to a lawyer versed in privacy issues. Ask about all financial institutions and HIPAA, eg. is a POA document considered Protected Health Information? Mention if you think your sister is stealing or committing fraud. This can affect privacy rules
13. If your father is competent, ask him if he will name you his financial and medical POA agent. Of course, you and/o he may not want to do this.
14. Try to find out if your father and mother jointly own any assets or property. For real property, you can check in your county's property records to see how their house is titled. If it's titled in what is called Joint Tenancy with Right of Survivorship, seriously consider speaking with an attorney. Of course, if she tries to change the title, she will have to produce the POA document.
15. Finally, there is no substitute for consulting with a qualified elder attorney. Put all your questions and any pertinent information together first.
16. Depending on your situation, you will want to make going to court to make her show that she has the POAs your last stop.
P.S. Does your mother have other estate planning documents such as a will, advanced directives, HIPAA release, and Do Not Resuscitate Orders? Just good information to have.
P.P.S. I've read the other comments and some people say that Waid 1435 isn't communicating anymore and has solved their problem. But I've left my comment up just to give people in the same seat some (not all) information.
The reason I was told to get on the account was so it wouldn't go into probate upon her passing.
this is genuine with the government.