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Remember, it takes two. You own 50% of this whole dance.
Mom can’t force you to stay with her .
Back off , let them fend for themselves . They should either hire help or go to assisted living .
“ Stop helping them “ , was the most wise thing ever said to me from a social worker.”
Again , Back off , your parents will have to accept help in other ways , either by them paying for a helper to come to the house or they go to assisted living .
If you need to run it by his oncologist to have a medical opinion on it, please do so. I’m sure the doctor would agree.
Offer to sign your parents up for DoorDash, Uber and Amazon. Offer to vet weekly housekeepers who can tidy up. Leave your dad with a list of agencies and their prices. It is dad’s right to refuse as he is competent.
Your husband needs you with him more than your parents do at this time.
You are all right - I made a HUGE mistake!
You BACK OFF , STOP HELPING .
Call APS .
Your mother isn’t going to change . She’s an uncooperative , needy person who expects to be waited on .
Remission at this point is not guaranteed. And he has a benign brain tumor. Now there may be prostate cancer.
There is a nonzero possibility that you may be bidding him goodbye. You may yourself need an aide for some of this, but until you do, spend maximum moments with him watching birds on the deck, or taking in a home movie, etc. with the goal of getting him well enough so that you two do go out to that dinner or onto a cruise. Their death at 96 and 93 is somewhat inevitable whereas a death at 65 is that much more tragic. Especially for you.
I feel adults reach an age, become elders, cycle backwards & hit that stage again.
They want you. Only you. Their real needs, their perceived needs, their anxiety, their wishes will EAT UP YOUR life.
Until you make changes.
I think many many older people go through this with or without dementia.
I'm really gaining my freedom, brothers are doing a most right now, I'm not being sent on all these needless errands anymore. A tomato from this farm stand, and then corn from a different one.
Anyways I'm starting to feel a bit lost, like what do I do with myself kind of feeling, moms being rather grumpy to me the last week. A few weeks ago she was love bombing me. It also feels odd to not feel needed. I'm also feeling a bit angry at myself for putting up with as much as I did put up with though the years.
Just want you to know these are normal feelings, so don't run back to mom the minute they come out.
Could you make mom a weekly calendar of when you plan to drop in?
For instance: Mon. and Thurs., sometime between 11 and 2
Sun., 6pm every other week for dinner
The less detailed, the better. Then stick to it.
Do it on a white board so it can be easily changed and take a picture of it with your phone so you can remember what you committed to since you won’t be in there very often to see it!
Keep it in mind for when your Mom the Terror passes. It may give you comfort. OMG, I can't believe what you've been through with these two. Good luck going forward.
PS - Don't ASK if you can sign them up for food delivery from Walmart and Amazon. Just do it using their credit card. The food arrives at their door and they freak out. And you say nothing because you did your duty and sent the dang food. You don't even answer the phone. They can pull the limbs off that cute lil Walmart rotisserie chicken just fine by themselves.
Question,
How much time do you spend with your girlfriends?
Having coffee, going for lunch, shopping.
How much time you and husband spend with other couples?
That is the same passive/aggressive response I used to get from my aunt. Fine. I stayed where I belonged. In my own home.
Years ago I was raised that what that meant was that I had to prop them up . I was raised to be my parents caregiver .
Now I believe that the elderly person has to accept that whether they live at home or in a facility that their life is changing due to age .
Don’t be afraid to say “ No” . We aren’t required to keep up their lifestyle the way they want it . I was told by my mom that I had to keep her “ routine “ the same. My FIL told us that we had to keep up his “ independent lifestyle “. Nope , nope , nope , we refused to take him on cruises that he wanted . That would not have been a vacation for us . He also demanded we take him to a fancy restaurant every weekend and requested my adult children come as well .
If You help them , they accept the help you are willing or able to do . If they don’t like it , that’s too bad , they either hire someone or they go live in assisted living . The parent receiving help does not call the shots because they are not independent , they are dependent .
My mom's being very passive aggressive the last week or 2. Actually today it's started to bug me a little.
So what there saying I needed to hear too.
I have been feeling very strong emotionally very up, for a month or more, today a little melancholy . So I'm just letting you know, if you do what we are helping you though, you will have an occasional off day, not to be surprised.
It's a bit of a rollercoaster. Just keep moving forward.
Your parents are pretty old and I fear you are too conditioned and emeshed to make the changes needed to be fully autonomous from your parents.
But any small steps you make are better than doing nothing at this point.
I wonder how you got them to agree to move to VA because last year when you posted you said they loved FL and would never move. Did they decide to move closer to you because you started visiting less?
At present the older two are in a separate nearby condo, within the same building. The older housemates are already too anxious to be alone. They will soon move into the same condo. Then when walking becomes difficult, into the living room into electric beds.
I don't see any other pathway here.
So at least I hope it will be a loving & fun household. Like the Golden Girls sitcom.
instead of running upstairs all the time to “ check on them “ what if you put a camera in their condo ?
But don’t stare at it constantly .
What is the longest you went without seeing your parents? I suspect this dynamic of you visiting them for months at a time (when they were in FL) or them visiting you for months at a time has been going on for a very long time - if not for your entire life.
That is why you are unable to separate yourself from them - you are like conjoined twins. Neither you or your parents (mom more so than dad) can function or be apart for very long since it is all you know.
And now as they are getting older and more needy this dynamic is just rapidly escalating (especially for your mother) as she wants you there 24/7. You can bet your dad has to hear it from mom ALL the time when you don't do what she wants.
She is not in control of your life. YOU ARE.
Forgive me is I speak plainly and what I'm saying is for your own good.
Your husband is a very sick man. Shame on you for letting mommy's narcissism and guilt-tripping come before him. That stops today.
Too damn bad if your mother wants you with her instead. Boo-hoo. Let her pout and cry about it. Let her behave like a senior-brat or an elder-tyrant because she doesn't get her own way. Let her man sort her out. It's his job to, not yours.
Think about this. You moved your parents NEAR you. Not in WITH you. Is this because you're smart and knew how your mother would be and wanted to be able to close your own door?
Close it then. It's okay. Set some boundaries and if your mother is unwilling to live by them, start ignoring her. Don't go to her place and don't take her calls for a while.
Your husband and your life come before your mother's neediness.
Just cause they are family doesn’t mean you have to . I really hate that people think you have to put up with bad behavior because someone is family .
Stands to reason why I don’t see my narc sibs who learned from my narcissist mother .
Romeo .
Your mother is manipulative , passive aggressive, not just dramatic.
My dh’s favorite cousin passed away from tongue and throat cancer on Christmas Eve 2018. She had undergone surgery, chemo and rads. She was 45 and had been in remission for some months before it came roaring back. Her husband was present for that whole journey as versus offering his mom manicures and popsicles and dinners without the sick person and dog walking trips.
Your parents had 30 years after the age of 64 to enjoy their retirement with themselves. It is a nonzero possibility that you may not have three, and if it is, will you be happy that you spent that time on moms manicure and her insistence that you cook her fresh Italian dinners?