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My dad was writing checks for years to people and no one bothered to look. People and magazines. Ugh.
If you don't live beneath your means, you'll always be in a financial tight spot with alot of worry. Mom should pay 1/3 - 1/2 of her income for her keep just like everybody else.
The personel care and a good clean house is free cause I love her!
I'm wondering too, if she got 'mail,' or letters or cards, would that transfer some of her feelings from write checks (to others she has no communication or personal contact with? Perhaps ask a local school, volunteer bureau, or social work class at a college to write her a note talking about their lives and perhaps mirror some of her interests. These could go to a p.o. box. She might start looking forward to her mail instead of the people asking for money, or forget about the check writing - refocusing her attention.
You do need to take control somehow. Don't tell her you 'll 'pay for more stuff.' Tell her you won't or can't. Don't enable her. You are giving her a carrot on the stick.
Someone called my mom and asked for her SSN: I GOT MAD... She got his number because she thought it was legit...
I told him shame on him that he is willing to scam a mom the same age as his mom... People just don't get it...
But hey, some people love to do that kind of stuff, I guess. Maybe he had a bad relationship with mom.
Is she more Alert and with it when shes going thru her mail. Because if she is, My opinion is if you take that away from her then what will happen to her. She may have nothing left to keep her mind going and she may just let go completely.
That is what I am scared of. Does anyone live with her?
Can they just retrieve the outgoing mail that are for nonsense charities and keep them hidden for you. That way your mom will still have the pleasure of writing the checks and her mind will still be active. a win - win if you ask me.
When I stole the outgoing mail my mom didn't know the difference Because when i gave her her bank statement to balance against the checks she wrote and told her that if she they weren't on the statement as being paid there still outstanding and she needed to keep that as a true total not go by the bank statement month end balance. She would get so frustrated and just quit and not look at her bank statements anymore and ask me to do them.
Be creative, Do a little of intercepting, a little stealing, a little lying, your mom is going thru a difficult time now and my feeling is if it makes them happy let them be happy. just dont let that happiness get to the bank.
Good luck to you...
My Mom looks forward everyday to the mail coming. She says that's her only pleasure. She is not mobile. Has a tracheostomy and is on a feeding tube in her stomach. So she can't even enjoy eating. So for me it was very hard to go by everyone's advice on here and not give her the mail or let her write checks.
She is 89 years old and in the same position your mother is in. On social security limited income. Her house is paid for so i moved in with her to become her full time caregiver. I've already gone thru my retirement so right now i'm living on a shoe string. But that's okay I love her and promised not to put her in a home.
Anyways. I've tried to reason with her, beg, plead, cried and even got angry. Went as far as to make a spread sheet to show her where her money was going and how ridiculous her writing checks to every Tom, Dick and Harry had become. She had 89 different charities she was paying out to. Not all of them every month but at least 30 - 35 of them she would. She'd donate anywhere from $5 - $10, $15 to $20 bucks a pop. It was making me sick literally. I started going thru her mail first and only giving her real bills. But then my brother would just give her the whole stack of them if he got to the mail first. I did a lot of b*tching at him till he finally go the clue.
She would say she wont do it no more but it only lasted a few days. I took away her check book and she didn't like that. The first time i took it away on the fourth day she t old me she was gonna call the police on me. I was shocked. I think my mom might have a touch of Alzheimer too or dementia I dont know. Doctors say she seems fine.
Three weeks ago i pulled out a Dry erase board and sat down and explained this is how much your social security pays you. Minus the electric, gas, water, medicine. RX's (over $140 ) Over counter medication, Medical supply company that supplies her liquid nutrition for her feedings. The feeding bags and all misc. supplies, Her Depends, Life insurance, Blah Blah Blah...... I said.. Mom, "This is how much money you have left at the end of the month. She was in the Red. Negative dollars. So please stop writing those checks. It was so bad that the checks she was writing for $5, $10 bucks were bouncing. Therefore, it cost her $35 bucks to donate $5. And the bank just loved to charge her these. Because she was on auto deposit they would call it an overdraft fee and pay these checks instead of bouncing them. . She would get sometime $200 to $400 dollars in one month for overdraft fees. I got so pissed. I was so depressed.
Finally, it seems to be getting better, All my screaming, crying, begging, and logically explaining calmly to her is starting to pay off. I mostly keep the check book away from her. but i still let her write checks for the bills. And i told her she can spend $20 a month on her favorite charity. So she can actually send off 4 donations at $5 bucks a pop. so far so good. if she does sneak out a few more i just pull them from the outgoing mail. I know its against the law to do this but i dont care.
These charities, religious and political groups are heartless. They take advantage of senior citizens. They go as far as sending her letters telling her to add them to her will when she dies. Give them her car and house. Bull. I've tried to tell them to stop. Hell my mom even wrote a few of them and said she can no longer contribute but they just send even more. Then they have you listed on the sucker list. And sell that list to other charities (which by the way 75% of them are BS charities anyway)
You say your mother has Alzheimer's. I personally do not truly know how this disease works. She is still able to write checks, obviously. Is she like my mom where she looks forward to the mail?
The other option is better. Don't order or let her order checks anymore. You can go online and create a mailing address for paper checks (in the event you need to use them for her bills). Select an address of a family member or friend so only you have use of the checks.
For now, you may not see what mail she brings into the house, but the earliest she could mail out her payments would be the next day. Ask her each morning if she has mail to send....and trash it. Ask to see the mail that came in each day. Don't leave any stamps around the house for her to use - so she has to ask you. (of course some of those companies send postage free envelopes for their 'patrons' to remit money). You can also check online for the company that sent requests for donations and contact them to take your address out of their system. I had pretty good success with that.
I was renting the upstairs floor apartment of a two-family house that had two front doors and two mailboxes. Before I moved in, I had obtained a PO box (mainly because I don't want mail exposed where anyone could grab it or have packages left outside). I was seldom in the apartment except to sleep, and had little of value there. I just stopped taking junk mail out of the mailbox, essentially pretending no one lived there. After a little while, it quit showing up. One item showed up in the PO box with the street address crossed out and substituted with the PO box number. I also did away with my landline as I had a cell phone (which I rarely had on). If I ordered something, I had it delivered to my work address (again, mainly to avoid theft or having to go on an errand to retrieve it).
I guess the bottom line is that if you can maintain a low-enough profile, eventually you'll cease to exist in the minds of the solicitors and scammers (and perhaps even in the mind of the local mail carrier!).
Some of her legitimate bills like mortgage, phone bill etc I have set up to Automatically come out each month.
Lately, with the pandemic, she has had more time on her hands and says that she will pay her own bills, that I don't need to come over. YIKES! So far I have convinced her to wait for me, but if this gets more concerning, I will get a P.O. box as people have suggested.
Example, she received her stimulus notice int he mail and had written the amount as a bill she needed to PAY. Wonder if she would have sent a check to the IRS or the White House??? HA! Just gotta laugh! We love our parents!
My mom claims she's wary but feels obliged to donate to every political campaign that floods her email inbox. She's not poor but could be if the right scammer strikes, including spoofed phone numbers posing as locals in need. She nearly fell for the "bail me out!" aka "grandparents" scam.
What is it with the elderly (even minus dementia) and their compulsion to give away money? They figure they need to spend it all before dying, perhaps. You'd think people would get MORE cynical as they get older, especially with constant warnings. I hope to be that wise, at least.
get her address changed to either your p.o.box which would be free to her or her own p.o.box which you have the only key.
Next....go through your mom's room ( perhaps on one of those days she is out ( or not) and find all the checks. You have every right to be in that room because it's your house and sounds like dementia going on so you need to take charge!
Put the found checks either in a safety deposit box or better yet, destroy them and get a debit card that only you have a pin# to.
Now...Make sure she has cash only on those days she's out having fun.
You need to charge her for rent
( which includes property taxes, homeowners insurance), food, her1/2 of the utilities etc. She should be paying her way... not out there like a child throwing her money away on candy.
If she demands a debit card, the bank will give her one but it will not be set up to work. Then the bank needs to be instructed and shown your poa not to let her have withdrawals. They can simply tell her she doesn't have access to her account.
We done this with my mom. It took a month of her complaining but stand your ground and tell her that she needs to pay the bills. If there's $ left over she can pay the scam artists out of her fun $$, but when she's out of fun$ there will be no more till the following month..meanwhile you could throw her a legit charitable donation request from the mail to contribute to...or NOT!!
Good luck, stand your ground and be strong!
The first thing we did was to stop all her mail and have it go to us.
The only issue is sometimes mail will come addressed to current occupant so we would rifle her mail looking for those and dispose of them.
Another unfortunate but yet fortunate thing was that she bounced several checks because she did not have the funds.
This upset her very much and we explain to her it was because she was spending money on donations and was not able to pay her bills.
So that stopped some of it for a while.
Eventually we ended up taking over her checkbook as she could just no longer manage it.