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Mom lived 9 months being safe in MC she finally contracted Covid, 2 days later she was in the hospital. I spoke to her doctor and asked him bluntly what her survival prospects were. He told me he doubted she could survive.
So I discussed it with my siblings and I made the decision to stop treatment except for palliative care. The doctor agreed. I told him I would rather they use the ICU bed for a Covid patient who had a better chance of surviving. Mom lived another week before loosing the battle.
Yes, they could have put her on a respirator and kept her alive but at what physical cost? And if she did survive what would her mental state have been? That much sedation if very bad for the elderly and she would probably have been confined to a bed in SNC. That's not much of a life.
Yes, I still have moments of doubt about the decisions. But then I think about what I would want if it was me in that situation. I hope and pray that my family will do the same for me.
God's peace to you.
Yes, you should contact hospice. They will keep her as comfortable as possible to the end.
Why make someone suffer by prolonging the inevitable?
What type of physician is currently leading her medical care? - an oncologist or haematologist? In any case, if I were you I would sit down with them (virtually if need be, in these straitened times) and ask them to go with you through the quality of life vs length of life discussion.
There will come a point where treatment is nothing more than pointless torment for your grandmother, and withdrawing it is not murder but ethical, humane common sense. We can't possibly guess whether she is there yet - of course we can't - but her lead physician ought to be able and willing to guide you. If not, if you can't get any help or any sensible answers from that quarter, then try to get hold of a geriatrician or elder care physician and ask for a review of your grandmother's medical history and treatment plan.
This decision will eventually have to be yours to take, if your grandmother is no longer able to make it for herself; but that doesn't mean you have to reach it alone.
When you have all the information you need, so that you can answer your grandmother's questions, that will then be a good time to have the conversation with her. It will begin something like "if we were to stop all treatment except for making you comfortable, how do you think you would feel about that idea?" There is a big difference between a person expressing how dreadfully ill she feels and how guilty about your workload, and helping that person to think through her later life and end of life wishes.
I'm so sorry to read that your 91 year old dad passed away earlier this week as well as you wondering if you could have done anything differently.
Although my mom is almost 96, I too have wondered if I should have pushed her harder to do PT. They are trying it again for the third time.
It's always difficult to see our loved ones not only decline, but realizing their quality of life has gone down to "zero." Countless times, I just keep hearing people say they are "tired" and they are.
May God give you peace in your grief.
Treatment is not going to give her (or you) the life she once had/or allow her to be the person she once was.
As a social worker, I want to say this: You might be feeling both guilt AND grief. Easy to confuse/interchange the two because they are both such intense feelings. Don't confuse the two. When you feel guilty, allow your thoughts to also revisit the times she said she didn't want to be a burden. When you follow her true wishes, you are not murdering her, you are honoring her.
As a daughter who had my own mom with Parkinsons and Dementia at my home for 5 years and had to transfer her to a hospice facility for 24 hr care, I understand the guilt, regret and confusion. I suffered every day until I realized my torment wasn't about if I was doing the right thing for her, but that I was already missing her and she wasn't even "gone" yet physically. It is normal to feel grief as we prepare unwillingly to say goodbye while we are trying to respect their wishes.
Lastly, In the end, your faith night comfort you that you really aren't omnipotent and only God can comfort her and love her unconditionally. You are not held accountable to a standard higher than God. Your intentions are what count. Focus on loving her whatever the day brings.
If any of this strikes a chord, think about talking further with hospice staff, a social worker/nurse where she goes for treatment, or a clergy person. YOU ARE OK - you are not crazy and you are not a murderer. You are a loving grand daughter who stepped up to help. So many of us support you!
Me *personally*, I would feel guilty FOR continuing treatment for a 84 year old with dementia. I'm 50 and already have orders written against medical help/intervention to prolong life when I am no longer of sound mind.
Granny did not have dementia and was lucid until 3 days prior to her death at age 82, actually her 83rd birthday. I was with her every day the last 5 days when she was in in ICU.
Our family fully respected Granny's wishes to not have invasive treatment. 3 days before she died she lost consciousness. She was given oxygen and IV fluids to keep her comfortable. Sadly she bruised incredibly easily and her face was terribly bruised by the O2 mask. I was worried that would be my last memory of her, but it was not, I can barely recollect how she looked, my memories are of happier times.
Have you talked to Hospice? They can help you negotiate the process of dying.
And no, it is not murder to stop treatment. Your Grandmother will not be cured, any treatment is prolonging her dying process.
She has told you she is ready to go. There is no need to feel guilt.
It was a lovely moment.
He stopped his chemo treatment soon after. The pall team were a wonderful support.
I agree to contact Hospice for a chat. To discuss Gma's values as you know them.
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