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Nope, I wished the same for my dad. He had several strokes and was almost bed bound, wearing diapers, had a catheter and was dependent on Mom and caregivers for everything. He was miserable and humiliated and made everyone miserable too. He refused to do PT or exercises to help with mobility, just sat all day and watched TV, waiting to die.

Mom was driving herself to ill health trying to solve all his problems and keep him alive. Mainly because they were barely eking out on 2 Social Security incomes and she knew when he died she would be in bad financial straits. And I do think she still loved him in spite of it all.

So when he died I was relieved, now I could go in and deal with all the financial issues, straighten out the money, sell the house, and get Mom into a comfortable AL facility where she could relax and enjoy life again.
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Shayshay318 Apr 9, 2024
I wish the same for my father he is a miserable person... I don't understand why misrable people keep living and the ones we truly love and are kind, loving empathic people die sometimes younger.. I hope your mom is thriving.
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It’s natural to see posts on death on this forum because this is a caregiver forum.

We hear various stories from people who’ve shared their experiences with caring for an elderly family member.

I am going to share something that some people may find odd. It’s okay if you do. I may be a work in progress but I certainly hope that I have grown enough to be capable of accepting any criticism.

Several years back when my daughter was in college she rescued the most adorable 5 year old toy poodle. He had been abused and surrendered. He was skittish around everyone but he instantly took to my daughter.

I told my daughter that I thought he had picked her out to be his new owner. She loved him to pieces. He was with her in her apartment throughout her college years and awhile afterwards.

He had a hip injury that the vet said were from the physical abuse, most likely from someone throwing him or hitting him.

Later on he developed Cushing’s disease and it was managed with medication. As he grew older it became more difficult to treat and she took him to the vet to seek advice.

Her vet said something to her that she found very helpful in dealing with her emotions.

The vet is a friend of the family. Our kids grew up together. His daughters went to LSU for college too. He knows my daughter well and knew how much she loved her dog.

She was crying in his office and asked him what else could he possibly do for her dog.

He told her that it was time for her dog to be euthanized. She was hesitant at first to accept that he should be euthanized.

Her vet told her, “Don’t wait until you resent your dog to make the decision to euthanize your dog.

I have pet owners who come in my office, they have loved their dogs for years but when they grow old and have accidents in the house so often they don’t know how to handle it.

They say to me, “I hate my dog. Kill it, so I won’t have to deal with them anymore!”

I know that they don’t really hate their dogs. They’re tired and frustrated and hate seeing their dogs suffer.”

My daughter consented to having her dog euthanized because she never wanted to hate her dog’s behavior that badly that she would begin to resent or hate him.

He had been having frequent accidents and was beginning to suffer more with his Cushing’s disease.

I never shared with my daughter that many people feel this way about the elderly people in their lives that they are caring for.

I didn’t want her to think that I was comparing her grandmother to a dog! Although, her dogs are like her children. Now, she has a beautiful Siberian Husky.

It’s so hard to watch our family members suffer. It’s so hard to go through caregiving whether we love them or not.

I am not comparing people to animals. I’m comparing our emotions that are involved. At least for those of us who are animal lovers, I hope that you understand my sentiment.

Watching someone’s life fade to where a person can’t function anymore is incredibly sad. We don’t euthanize people but we can enlist the support from hospice to aid in keeping them comfortable.

Many people are relieved after their family member dies because they are no longer suffering. We grieve and in time the pain lessens.

I don’t think we should wait until the last minute to bring in hospice. Plus, hospice can play an important role in helping people accept death, just like our vet helped my daughter accept that her precious dog deserved to die being loved. She found peace knowing that she was doing the right thing.
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Adding to my post…

We also shouldn’t wait until we are desperate before we place a family member.

Geeeeez, I wish that I could go back in time and speak to myself the way I feel about things now.

I did what I felt was best then. It wasn’t best. When I realized that it wasn’t, so much damage to my emotional well being had taken place. I was a lost soul!
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I probably posted on this waaaaaay back, months and months ago.

We are still on tenterhooks, waiting for MIL to pass away. She must have made a pact with the devil, b/c she is not going anywhere any time soon.

Her situation gets worse and worse, the kids are exhausted and angry. My DH chewed me out yesterday b/c I asked him what his days with his mom looked like this week. You'd have thought I'd asked him to cut off a hand for him--his response was just anger filled, and completely unnecessary. All he had to say was 'I am on Monday, Thursday and Saturday.' And the discussion would be over. Instead, he snapped at me and then angrily got up and watched TV until 2 hrs past the time he was supposed to be at MIL's.

He's mad at HER, but by darn, I get all the anger. IDK if our marriage can handle the stress much longer. He keeps saying it has 'nothing to do with YOU'--yet of course it does!

Displaced anger--I am in hot water for things I don't do and for things I DO do.

Being someone who is not afraid of death, yes, I do wish my MIL could pass away. She's bringing no joy to anyone and doing nothing but breaking this family to pieces.
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Dupedwife Nov 2023
Midkid:

It’s so sad that your husband is taking out his anger and frustration on you. Try your best to understand that he’s frustrated over the difficulty of caregiving for his mother. Perhaps you can try to convince him that if he continues along this path he might end up dying before his mother. It’s time for your husband to get help for his mother as it’s too much for him to do.
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My friend, a Buddhist, says we must wish them well. Because 1) Karma and 2) the more we wish their quick exit, the longer they will linger! She currently deals with a heinous stepfather, 78, who has lived through lung cancer and is still ticking right along… for years!
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LauraL271 Oct 2023
I'm going to try to remember this!
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After being on this forum for a while, I’m finally realizing that there really is no goal line at the end of life. Life is for living, and nobody gets a prize at the end. I don’t know what we all expect to have happen when we get old, it’s like everybody’s trying to live longer and longer, but no one seems to realize that your body and mind will deteriorate and you better darn well accept that long before you need help. My mother should have sold her big two-story house decades ago. Now she couldn’t get out if something happened. No one wants to live with her because they know she’ll suck their soul out. The house needs work, but she keeps saying it’s for the next owner to deal with, even though the old plumbing affects her now. None of her kids have the money or bandwidth to pay for her stuff, although she says we should because the house is in a trust with our names on it. My comfort, which is awful, is that she refuses to take meds, and she refuses help in anyway except telling my brother what to do, and refusing his suggestions, so she’s shortening her own life.
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waytomisery Oct 2023
Absolutely !!! There is no prize at the end for refusing to plan for nor adapt to old age .

We just visited my MIL ( 200 miles away ) this weekend . We watched her bear crawl up her flight of stairs in her house again . She’s very unsteady and unsafe climbing stairs . She’s so stooped over and her one shoulder is so bad from arthritis that she can’t lift it high enough to hold the handrail . She refuses to have another handrail installed on the other side , that shoulder is better . ( not sure that would work anyway because she has a bad dropped foot that’s making it difficult and dangerous as well to climb the stairs ) . It’s a sight for sure watching her on the steps . I ended up having to close my eyes for fear I would see her fall
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She won’t move to one level and also refuses to get a chair lift installed on the stairs or grab bars in the shower “ because it is an eyesore and will hurt resale value of the house”. She falls often , she’s holding on to furniture to get around . Refuses a walker . Finally uses a cane when she leaves the house but it is not enough . And still drives, doesn’t have POA drawn up .

What is the prize for not adapting to her age ? Her many falls ? She faceplanted outside last week again and her partner ( who has mild dementia ) called 911 , she was a bloody mess . She wants to age in place and not go into AL but won’t make adjustments to do that . We give up . She is still competent . No more suggestions . Whatever happens happens .
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Nothing abnormal about this. My MiL is one such individual. What a miserable individual. Initially a lovely woman, I thought, but as time went on, it was clear that she is manipulative and insists on her way. Now she jays some mental disorder, dementia, hallucinations and dillusions.

For years I tried to get MIL & FIL to have a relationship with our daughter, their granddaughter, by taking her to visit several times a year. At a certain point, the visits stopped when she refused to have anyone come to the house. We did try to come by and visit with FIL, but they would not visit us at all.

Every time DH would call Mil would abuse him and threaten to disinherit him. FIL didn’t say anything except continue the conversation.

After FIL’s death, things got worse. She wanted help and she didn’t want help. She wanted to live with us but didn’t understand why she couldn’t live with us. Not after 15 years of verbal abuse and the mess she left her home in and the nasty dog she wanted to bring. She was encouraged to move into AL. She thought it was temporary. It is not.

Now she can’t take care of the dog anymore and it has to go. The dog is suffering because it isn’t taken out, isn’t cleaned and she isn’t cleaning up after it like she used to and she is barring people from her room. This is 2.5 years after moving in. We both know that this will be a deathnell for her. The only one she cared for was the dog. She hates everyone.

The isolation is what she wanted.
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FIL is still alive and posting on Facebook so I know he's not going to die anytime soon. I call it the Facebook barometer.

Facebook posts and making comments on others Facebook posts = death is not imminent.

SIL called last night and my heart skipped a beat hoping she was calling to say he died. But no she was only calling to complain that 2 of his "not adopted" adult kids from one of his 7 wives (or is it 6? I can't keep track) were calling wife number 7 saying that they were concerned his sons would try and take his money after he dies. I had to laugh when hubby told me. Ironically he has given them so much money and has never helped one of his actual biological kids, ever. But that is part of who he has always been.

He would buy his mistresses expensive jewelry, rounds of drinks at the bar for strangers, while his kids had no heat or food and many times no place to live (they lived in campgrounds in a tent in the middle of winter, a van, a garage and moved too many times to count). While FIL would be sleeping at a friends house or with a woman he was cheating on his current wife with.

1. He has nothing because he gave over $100,000 (money from a car accident settlement) to a woman on Facebook who was actually a male scammer from India. He actually went to meet her at the airport and called police when she didn't show up.

2. He has declared bankruptcy so many times with the most recent being 2 years ago. So he literally has nothing but a crappy house that is worth maybe $20,000.

3. Neither son want anything from him. But if he didn't have a will and actually had anything you can be sure they would take what would be theirs legally based on probate. I call it reparations for the child abuse they endured.
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This is in response to a couple of the posts I read today. How much of the wanting "us and only us" has to do with our elders belongings?

My mom, (who has always had hoarding tendancies), is in a hospital bed. She first had her pocketbook and some bags of personal belongings on the bed with her. Now she has literal cardboard boxes with her checkbook, money, keys, bills, meds and other stuff to the point where she's on half a bed. She's almost fallen out of bed a few times and the hospice nurses and social workers refuse to get involved.

She also has 2 locked bedrooms that only "I" am allowed in, and I spend SO much time trying to locate things for her. It's seems like it's not ME she wants, it's me managing her stuff.

The meds are the worst. She thinks no one can "take" them if they're in her possession. But I took them right out from in front of her yesterday when she was sleeping to fill her med containers.

To the poster who is dreading another 20+ years of this, yes, they are holding us hostage in a sense, but they can only do so if we let them. I know it's time for me to back WAY off, before it ruins our once decent relationship.
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Feelings are never wrong. They just are. I recall standing behind my mother and thinking of Hansel and Gretel pushing the witch in the oven! As long as you don’t do it it is just a fantasy.
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I've answered this before. My answer is still yes.

I still hate caregiving and it's still doing damage to my life. I hate helping her more than I love her and I don't want the caregiving to end because my mom dies.

However, I've came to the realization last night that it'll likely end with a death in the family and I'm stuck until that happens. My mom absolutely, positively, does not want any extra help for fear of getting robbed. My grandmother getting robbed twice and my next door neighbor getting robbed were enough to make my mom completely closed minded to extra help. She only trusts a small number of people, but they're all too old to do the physical work I've been forced to do for over 5 years.

It'll end with either:
A) My grandmother dying, which would open the nursing home window. However, my mom's Covid paranoia is still there. She got a new mattress a few months ago and she requested the delivery men wear masks and gloves. She had to do some pleading to make it happen even though she was in another room of the house while they were here. And her fear of getting robbed is so strong, she had me move all the car and house keys to another room of the house while the delivery guys were here. She's never done that. I understood moving the jewelry and financial stuff, but moving the keys were unnecessary.
B) My mom dying, which could be 25-30 years from now barring something unforeseen happening to her.
C) Me dying in some way, shape, or form.
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waytomisery Oct 2023
blickbob,
If you had a child , would you want your child giving up 30 years of their life to take care of you ?
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FIL is in hospital with cellulitis that is not responding to antibiotics. SIL keeps telling us she thinks this is it, but she has been saying that for 2 years and he is still alive. Last time he had a stroke when getting a hip replacement. After reading this board I know that people can survive and live with so many supposed life ending issues and diseases so I don't expect him to die anytime soon. I just wish she would stop getting my hopes up though because I really hate my FIL he was a very bad father and a bad person.
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Hothouseflower Oct 2023
Yeah I have had at least three this is it moments in the past three years. The last one was my mother with CHF surviving covid last month . I was actually disappointed because the stress of her outliving her money or figuring out her future care finally would have been lifted off my shoulders. But no that didn’t happen. She recovered. Sigh.
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My mom is lingering literally 17 days now bedbound sleeping the whole time...even during meals that need to be fed to her. She cannot move or talk anymore. I pray that God takes her home....but nothing.
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LilyLavalle Oct 2023
I’m so sorry for what you are going through. My grandmother survived for 30 days sleeping without any food. I’m not sure how your mother is eating while asleep, but if she is taking in even very little nourishment she could go on for a long time. Does she have an advance directive? Do you think she would want to be fed while not conscious? I’m not saying you’re doing anything wrong - just some things to think about. I pray that you and your mother find peace.
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My mom was a great mother then Lewy Body took over 5 years ago. She lives in a really nice assisted living building. At 90 she is self absorbed, complaining, sarcastic, needy ……She is mid stage and believes everyone steals from her {untrue} so she hides at least 10 items every late night and then each visit {3 weekly} is a search mission for me. I woke this am after a 2 hr search yesterday for the tv remote and having no success…. to asking God to take one of us. At 72 my retirement ended 4 years ago, my peace of mind has ended, joy of life ended, spontaneity has ended. My life is built around her needs. Conversations are about incontinence issues, constant lost items, thieves, and bad food. Blame me, blame family who does not get involved but it changes nothing. She is innocent. She did not ask to be ill. She needs help in order to relax…She has sadly outlived her brain. A healthy 90 year old with no reasoning abilities, a tired daughter and maybe 10 more years to go..Yup one of us needs to meet our maker for this to end.
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Hothouseflower Oct 2023
I feel the way you do. I just want it all to finally end and my parents don’t even have dementia.

I hope for your sake she goes first.
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I don’t think it is wrong at all to feel
this way…. Nobody should suffer even if it is by their own doing, and now you are suffering. My mother has Alzheimer’s, completely out of her mind, stuck in a NH, for who knows how many endless years until her physical body says enough. I cant stand it, and we all deserve the right to check out, if we know the outcome of our illness which will cause suffering for ourselves and others, then a simple legal doc should do it!! This needs to change now! Nationwide!!
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ElizabethAR37 Oct 2023
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I am just tired dealing with my parents' issues. . I will never be the same person ever again after living through this. I just want to think about my life for a change instead of what I need to do for them. They have been the front and center priority for the last three years and there is no end in sight.
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waytomisery Oct 2023
Hothouse . So sorry .
It will take time after this slog is over to feel more like yourself again . But yes, it will be a little different than before . Caregiving leaves a mark , at least I feel like that . (((((Hugs))))
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Wiki, I’m so sorry you are going through this after a year. It’s the not knowing how long this will last that makes it unbearable. My mom went on home hospice (with me in charge) about 6 weeks ago. I believed her death was imminent at the time. Now she is better with the 24 hour care. She seemed fairly happy at first to be home after two almost back to back, month long rehab stays. Now she complains, finds fault with everyone, and gets mad about trivial items that no one can find for her.

She has had many visitors, including her grandson who flew in from cross country and all of her other grandchildren, relatives, friends, church people…she receives cards, letters gifts, food. Yet she makes lists of things to “discuss” with me when I come. It literally amounts to a complaint list.

She is so blessed in so many ways. I have friends who are HHAs and their clients either have no family and friends or have family living very close by who don’t even visit on holidays.

My goal was to make mom’s dying days as pleasant and peaceful as possible. Now I just dread my time there, especially my one overnight shift I do on Saturdays. The next time she pulls out her list I’m going to ask her, who would she like to see, what would she like to do, what does she really want to talk about while she still has time? I feel like all the negativity and focus on minutiae is her way of denying her inevitable death. She’s always been big into denial.

PS. After reading through a lot of this thread, I don’t wish my mother would die. It’s more that I wish I could get some peace and resolution. If she were to die right now I think I would feel very conflicted.
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wicki100 Oct 2023
@LilyLavalle- thank you so much for your kind reply, which elucidates so much of my own experience. You say "My goal was to make mom’s dying days as pleasant and peaceful as possible" and that is precisely my intent in moving back to my hometown in what I thought would be my mother's final days. This has now become a year of unpaid service and family that barely shows up or calls. As I try to make her final days wonderful --and they stretch into months--I realize no one can make another's life feel meaningful to them, especially someone suffering all the indignities of old age who is from an era where denial was the only coping mechanism (especially for women) for getting by. It is a hard truth. I am trying to take from this experience how I want to live my life ongoing, and what choices I want to make before I reach this stage of life she is at. She lived a relatively independent life in her final days only for her joy in that to be erased. I take from this experience a lot of wisdom. In the meantime it is difficult but I am detaching emotionally in order to save myself.
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I honestly love that this thread is still alive after all these years (though I hope for OPs' sake the mother is not); I come to it when I need comfort that I am not alone. No one can understand this unless you have been through it. My mother is lingering after a year in hospice --which they estimated would be 3-6 months--and no significant indication of imminent death. She is sitll on BP meds etc for comfort and a working pacemaker for a heart issue that would have killed her a few years ago (and I wish had--she was happy then and independent). I want this to be over so badly. When will it end? Why can't the medical profession evolve also to stop this worship of perpetuating life into extreme old age, just so we can exist as shells and suffer loneliness, loss of hearing, sight, and legs...and all the indignities of loss of independence?
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AliH66 Oct 2023
I am right here with all of you. Btw is it just me or are there any men on this chat or is it just us daughters with our elderly parent(s)????!!! LOL WTH! My advice, one day at a time (I know, easier said than done). Take time for yourself (if you suddenly drop off the face of the earth, I promise you, everything will still go on). Don’t worry, your not being selfish for these thoughts (It’s a perfectly normal feeling and we are all feeling it). Pray (even if your not religious). I just visited a SNF today because I am nearing the end of being able to care for my mother and witnessed numerous elderly folks just sitting in their wheelchairs, completely gone in mind, but not in body. I asked my mother if that’s how she wanted to be in the end. She said, “no way and besides it’s a waste of money”! Laugh (it really is the best medicine!) Best wishes to all caregivers out there!
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My father was the last parent to go and he was a piece of work. Don't get me wrong, he was a bit of a narcissist at times. I don't think that he was full blown but could be very passive/aggressive about his dealings. I was tired of living the lie of that affair that turned into a marriage. After he died, the family went in different directions. When he died, I felt relief. The relief came when I was no longer obligated to that mess he created and trying to twist myself into a fricken pretzel and adjust to a situation that brought all of us nothing but pain. It is a lot to this story, but I'm not going to bore you with the terrible details. It was not a pleasant story. I've let go of the resentment because there is no reason to keep a horrible memory alive.

Live and let live.
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Sunnydayze Oct 2023
I am there now. I’m ready for relief. Thank you for your post.
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Bizlarry,

There are old threads that remain alive because others are in the same situation as the original OP. So, the purpose of the thread is still relevant today. Caregivers have always struggled in the past and continue to struggle today.
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I don’t wish my parents dead for any other reason but that I want this utterly totally miserable slog to finally be over. I am so stressed out and it is taking years off my life. I look at my face in the mirror, I can see the weight of the world there.

It cannot be over fast enough. They are lingering and I want my life back.
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NeedHelpWithMom Aug 2023
Exactly, people want their pain and suffering to end. I don’t see why people can’t understand these emotions.

Yet, so many people say cruel things to the caregivers and try to make them feel guilty for feelings that are completely normal to experience.

They will say, “You’re going to get old one day!” As if, that helps!
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I think people want their loved ones to die when they can’t take anymore heartache. They aren’t trying to be evil. They just want their pain to end.
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Hello

you are so stressed and overwhelmed and you sound like you hit your limit and
your not alone in feeling this way.
I've had those feelings and I’m certain so many others are having feelings like that.
You’re doing your best. Be kind to yourself.
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Not2Easy Aug 2023
Yes, I second that. More and more these days I find myself experiencing those feelings.
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I feel for all of you. It's interesting though how many of us say we love our mother/father and then turn around and hate them so much we want them to die. It is ok though to say we loved our parents before they became so hateful that we can longer love them so we want them to die for their own and our own sake.
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Hothouseflower Aug 2023
I don’t hate my parents, I hate the miserable situation that they put my sisters and me in to deal with their mess.
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I feel for all of you. It's interesting though how many of us say we love our mother/father and then turn around and hate them so much we want them to die. It is ok though to say we loved our parents before they became so hateful that we can longer love them so we want them to die for their own and our own sakes.
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I think people say all kinds of things when they are at their wits end. They are hurting and frustrated and can’t take much more heartache. Sometimes, they feel like they are in a hopeless situation.
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I just realized this thread is 13 years old, I'm wondering if she's even still alive.

My mother is mean, she triggers my CPTSD, I'm currently not speaking to her and she's staying away. It's been about 5 weeks, maybe more. Yes, I love her, but she will never be the mother anyone deserves.

She accused me of wanting to "take her down". I literally snickered out loud which really set her off. She called me the "C" word. I told her it takes one to know one, and then quickly told her to get the "F" out of my house.

I know she will rear her ugly head at some point, just when I relax just enough and least expect it.

I fairly certain she has found some assistance through the state. She's playing the victim no doubt, how horrible her daughter is! That's okay, when she says those things, she may not realize she's talking about herself.

Just go, I think. Before I do. I need peace. And still want to try and live. I'm unable to stop using (Meth). No one knows and I appear "normal", but it's causing me neurological damage and I need to stop. It's been my way of not feeling. And I do still feel too much, so I fear my feelings and emotions that are justifiable but not appropriate.
Dear God, just let us go.
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Shayshay318 Apr 9, 2024
I cannot imagine my mom ever saying those hurtful things to you. I am SO sorry.. It must be terrible. I do however get those from my father. He told me the other night, he wished it was the old west and murder was legal and he would "take me out" he calls me names like you get called, and he makes fun of my deceased mom ,and points out all of her "flaws" its like hell she was a better mother than your own mother who never taught you how to love. I hope you get the peace you need so desperatly soon. Much love.
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Some wish the slog is over because they find it difficult to walk away or go no contact . However the caregiver is burnt . This is how my DH described how he feels.
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Oedgar23 Jul 2023
This exactly
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Hugs to everyone who is suffering on this journey. No judgment from me at all! Honor your feelings. Grieve for what you don’t have. Mourn the loss of something that perhaps you have never had with your family members.

I will keep all of you in my thoughts. I truly feel your pain. I was a caregiver for my parents and my mother lived in my home for 14 years. There were many days that I thought that it would never end.

Caregiving is the toughest job in the world.
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Way2tired Jul 2023
Exactly ,
just because we hope for things doesn’t mean they happen .
Caregivers are only human and have feelings .
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No. Not when they are miserable shells of themselves .
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david1950 Jul 2023
Some people still want to live, even though they’re miserable. Also, even those who are miserable sometimes have non-miserable moments. They want to live.
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Some people wish people would die because they want the misery to end for their loved one. Plus, they can’t bear anymore themselves as caregivers. It’s not at all the same as being a murderer!
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“I would argue that yes, it is wrong to wish death upon another human being, particularly your own parents. That said, it is free speech/ free thought and therefore, you are entitled to those thoughts/feelings. Having said that, I can only hope and pray that much of the anti mom and dad commenters posting here never get a red cent from the parents they clearly hated so damn much! But something tells me that this wont be the case, sadly.”

It’s clear you didn’t have abusive parents. That’s good.

We should all have been that lucky. Some forum members had extremely abusive elderly parents their whole lives. So abusive that you even wish them to die.

It’s also clear that no one in your life has ever treated you SO badly, that it crossed your mind you wish they would die.

Sometimes it’s not possible to understand, unless you lived the abuse yourself.
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Shayshay318 Apr 9, 2024
No its not wrong. My father has been abusive to me my whole life, I am 46 years old , he lives with us, he is STILL abusive towards me. I wish he would just die, and I don't care If you think its wrong.
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