By proceeding, I agree that I understand the following disclosures:
I. How We Work in Washington. Based on your preferences, we provide you with information about one or more of our contracted senior living providers ("Participating Communities") and provide your Senior Living Care Information to Participating Communities. The Participating Communities may contact you directly regarding their services. APFM does not endorse or recommend any provider. It is your sole responsibility to select the appropriate care for yourself or your loved one. We work with both you and the Participating Communities in your search. We do not permit our Advisors to have an ownership interest in Participating Communities.
II. How We Are Paid. We do not charge you any fee – we are paid by the Participating Communities. Some Participating Communities pay us a percentage of the first month's standard rate for the rent and care services you select. We invoice these fees after the senior moves in.
III. When We Tour. APFM tours certain Participating Communities in Washington (typically more in metropolitan areas than in rural areas.) During the 12 month period prior to December 31, 2017, we toured 86.2% of Participating Communities with capacity for 20 or more residents.
IV. No Obligation or Commitment. You have no obligation to use or to continue to use our services. Because you pay no fee to us, you will never need to ask for a refund.
V. Complaints. Please contact our Family Feedback Line at (866) 584-7340 or
[email protected] to report any complaint. Consumers have many avenues to address a dispute with any referral service company, including the right to file a complaint with the Attorney General's office at: Consumer Protection Division, 800 5th Avenue, Ste. 2000, Seattle, 98104 or 800-551-4636.
VI. No Waiver of Your Rights. APFM does not (and may not) require or even ask consumers seeking senior housing or care services in Washington State to sign waivers of liability for losses of personal property or injury or to sign waivers of any rights established under law.I agree that: A.I authorize A Place For Mom ("APFM") to collect certain personal and contact detail information, as well as relevant health care information about me or from me about the senior family member or relative I am assisting ("Senior Living Care Information"). B.APFM may provide information to me electronically. My electronic signature on agreements and documents has the same effect as if I signed them in ink. C.APFM may send all communications to me electronically via e-mail or by access to an APFM web site. D.If I want a paper copy, I can print a copy of the Disclosures or download the Disclosures for my records. E.This E-Sign Acknowledgement and Authorization applies to these Disclosures and all future Disclosures related to APFM's services, unless I revoke my authorization. You may revoke this authorization in writing at any time (except where we have already disclosed information before receiving your revocation.) This authorization will expire after one year. F.You consent to APFM's reaching out to you using a phone system than can auto-dial numbers (we miss rotary phones, too!), but this consent is not required to use our service.
*If I am consenting on behalf of someone else, I have the proper authorization to do so. By clicking Get My Results, you agree to our
Privacy Policy. You also consent to receive calls and texts, which may be autodialed, from us and our customer communities. Your consent is not a condition to using our service. Please visit our
Terms of Use. for information about our privacy practices.
But how about the family down the road? That they run into on a bright Saturday morning when they try to pass them, misjudge the distance, run the family's car off the road and one or five people die? Little children. The dad, whose work supports them. The mom who is expecting a baby in three months.
Then everyone gets all upset. "It didn't have to happen!" "They were the most loved family in our neighborhood." "Little Justin - he recently celebrated his third birthday and now he'll never see his new little sister!" (They've already named her Lilah Rose.) Oh, so sad. Oh, so awful.
Oh, so preventable. But no one wanted to make an 87- and 90-year-old angry. And the 90-year-old is now charged with vehicular homicide. The judge won't care whether he makes Pops mad. At all.
Deal with the driving issue, OP.
I would make an anonymous report to DMV in their state.
Did you know your spouse was such a wimp when you married?
What kind of adult can't have a hard conversation with their parents?
The social worker did come to my mom’s house to speak with her and it was quite obvious she had dementia and was not safe at home alone . The social worker assisted placing my mother in an assisted living facility that I had chosen ( mom has refused touring any ).
If no one has POA it will be more difficult . Good Luck .
The driving issue is probably the only thing I would keep stressing to the family as a problem that needs more immediate attention. Someone should evaluate if they are ok to drive and that doesn't mean they pass the driving test. (My dad was 95, blind and deaf and got his license renewed for 10 years!) Once they aren't safe to drive that becomes the problem where they can hurt others, not just themselves. And it is one of the hardest to solve when they live in a rural area. But, if they can still see during daylight hours, and have sufficient control of the car, they may be well able to drive for a few years yet. My dad drove, although poorly, until he was about 95. He only drove about 1 mile to the grocery store, daylight and good weather only, and on very slow and controlled neighborhood streets. After that I drove him everywhere. It wasn't a good solution for me, but it was the only solution.
Right now you need to concentrate on making certain all the paperwork - Power of Attorney, Medical Power of Attorney, and medical directives - are all in place. If that is left until dementia starts things are much more difficult. I got my parents to get all that done because my husband and I were doing it ourselves and we just brought them along on our visit to the attorney. Since WE were the ones who needed it for our family, they went along with it.
Oh, and my dad lived alone in a three story house with the bathroom on the 2nd floor until he was 97! Old people sometimes just make it work when we can't imagine that it's possible.
You will NOT allow either parent to move in with you, no matter what emergency happens. You will NOT provide care in their home. You will NOT tolerate your spouse doing those things either. You will NOT provide transport if their car is involved in an accident and is off the road. You will NOT visit them in hospital or in jail if the accident happens.
You WILL assist in getting them into a better situation. That’s it.
Write it down, and give a written copy to the adult children and their spouses. They need to know that they must have a plan, and it cannot include you. It might make them think seriously about their own level of commitment when a crisis inevitably happens.
Love this !!! I wish I read this 17 years ago before it all started for me saying “ Yes” for over a decade .
Until they can't.
Maybe a small scare will get them to make small changes... (add home care help) or a medium health event will start the process (eg a fall but without serious injury).
Sometimes it takes a crises to force change. (A fractured hip does this very quickly).
At this age, eventually something will happen that will represent crisis. You know that. So be ready at that point to step in. One of them will fall, fail, be hospitalized, be in an accident and this is inevitable. At that time you can request social services crisis discharge intervention if needed.
UNTIL that unhappy day, there is little you can do other than a family intervention in which you make clear that their current status is dangerous. There should be a phone tree for family to reach one another. There should be a family member who checks by phone in a.m. and p.m.
There is little you can do when you are met with stubborn resistance. Unless a person is incompetent no court in the land will intervene to give anyone their power of choice. I am so sorry. I know this is a worry. You are not alone in being out there "waiting for the call".
The difficult thing is if they have not been declared incompetent they can chose to live how they want to live.
If no one is POA then they make decisions for each other when that time comes.
Often families have to wait for some catastrophic event that forces some change or some decision as to what steps are next.
You could start a conversation with them in this manner. (and actually it is your husband that should have this conversation)
"Mom, Dad I know you do not want to move or make any changes but I need to know what decisions you want me to make if something should happen. I want to abide by your wishes as much as I can while making sure you are both safe."
"Dad, if you fall and need rehab you know I can not take time away from home to take care of mom so what plans do we need to make, and Mom, the same question for you."
The other thing that everyone in the family should be doing is back off any help that you/they are providing. If a family member runs to help out when they call by dropping everything to help out is giving them a false sense of independence.
If siblings want to help take turns and one go one week the other go the next and so on.
Reporting to APS as "vulnerable seniors" might be an eye opener for them but if they are getting along, they are safe in their home there is not much that can be done if they are articulate in expressing their desire to remain where they are and are safe.
See All Answers