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We have also encountered this with my sister, father in law, others who have passed and no planning was done, mass confusion, too many people either wanting to help or backing off, leaving the bereaved child or spouse to do it themselves.
My father is 90, late stage ALZ and Dementia, and is under Hospice care. He bought his plot, vault, headstone over 20 years ago which is beside my mother. A lot of funeral services now show a slideshow of the person's life, so we have already picked out the pictures we will use and put them on a CD, his favorite songs to be played have been chosen, color and type of flowers for the service. His bio has been prepared for the newspaper obituary along with the picture that will accompany the obit. If you don't have a preacher or rabbi or church who knows you intimately, you need to prepare notes for them, that's also done. Do as much as you can NOW. Think of the funerals you have attended including any 'after' events such as having extended family over for a meal, plan for that also. Know where ALL the paperwork is, ALL the paperwork. If nothing else, have copies made for you the caregiver. Also find out who needs to be contacted after: Social Security office, any pension plans, utility bills, credit cards, bank, magazine subscriptions, pharmacies that do auto refills, newspaper delivery, the list goes on...Get a copy of your loved one's calendar and a list of their friends addresses and phone lists. Buy stamps for the thank you cards. I know it sounds morbid, but you can get a roll of the peel-n-stick address labels and computer generate the addresses and have those ready to put on the front of the Thank You cards, then trash the ones you won't need. Make a list of what will need to be done, add or delete as needed, but you cannot be too prepared.
My mom passed away when I was 17, with just Dad and I left at home.Mom and Dad had bought cemetery plots when I was little, after my brothers had moved to other parts of the country, each near their inlaws. We got the call from the hospital at breakfast one morning, and spent the day going to the hospital, the funeral home, the church, the casket place, the cemetery. Dad had a pretty good idea what they wanted, but that day that I spent with my Dad was a day I will never forget, and I was able to have some input. . When Dad passed five years later, I was out of the country and unable to get home, but my brothers dealt with it, using Mom's funeral as a guideline, but again, they appreciated having some input as well. I think it is good to have general ideas as to what someone wants, but the surviving family should be able to be involved,, as they are the ones who are there. When my husband died, we knew where he wanted to be buried, and my kids and kids-in-law and I again spent a day setting it all up. Our pastor and my cousin's husband, a pastor who was a good friend of ours, basically set up the service with our cooperation.
The thing I appreciated about doing this pretty much on the spot is that we could deal with the realities as to who and what was available, and the biggest thing is that it KEPT US BUSY doing something necessary and useful! Having a church family to work with helped a lot, as well.
If the families are able to work together, and clearheaded enough to keep from getting pulled into excessive expenses,it can be a memorable family experience.
I've been involved in singing for at least four family and friend's funerals, two of them in small groups put together at the last minute, and was delighted to be included. When it becomes necessary, my kids have the experience of what we did for their dad; as well as their extended families and our church family. .
When dad first moved out of state to be near my brother after mom died I called the funeral home and discovered they had prepaid for an insurance policy in case something like this should happen. It should cover the budget cremation along with some left over, so you might look into insurance if you think there might be a chance of them changing states.
It's was always my parents wish that their cremated remains be mingled and spread out over a large lake somewhere (they spent their lives boating, fishing and loving the water). There was no burial place so the insurance was probably quite reasonable. Dad's keeping mom's ashes safe until the time comes that they are reunited again. I think that's soooo sweet.
Preplanning should be viewed like buying "Car Insurance". You take care of THAT because of what "might" happen, yet people don't want to make ANY plans for something that's "going" to happen. As things increase in price, so do they at the cemetery and the Funeral Homes. As the cemeteries shrink in availability, the prices go up.
You know we (DH & I) are doing a cremation with mulitple urns - so each urn get's a bit of us.....so some ashes go into a recycle box to be scattered in the Gulf of Mexico and then family gets a urn with ashes. What they do with them, is whatever. So maybe you could get an urn with 50% of mom for your brother? Ask the cremation facility about holding the cremation. Now some cremation places are NOT funeral homes so they cannot do this (hold the body) but others are. The FH my mom has her pre need with has a huge cold storage vault so she can go there if we have a week or so before her viewing. This FH does the military burials and they (the VA) are so backed up on funerals that it takes 2 - 4 weeks to get a military one done so they are setup to hold the bodies in cold storage. You know I was shocked when he (FH guy) told me that the VA is just backlogged on anything for veterans from aid & attendance to reinbursing the FH for stuff- they were not happy about it but this FH is big and can afford to do it, he said some of the smaller FH will not take a military burial because of those issues. Can you imagine!
Dad died in 1980's & they had bought a mausoleum in 1980. Paid in full for it and paid in full for the lettering. Internment fee was $ 125.00. Now at the time, the cemetery did NOT allow for pre-need just as they did NOT allow for cremations.
Mom did her own pre-need in 1987 a couple of years after dad died. Total package...casket, viewing, cards, etc. Policy does not allow for an increase in costs - the FH has to just deal with increased costs. (Most new policies allow for an increase in fees & charges by the FH) Everything done BUT based on what was the situation in 1987......
Well flash-forward to 2013 and things have changed, here's my recent experience Really you MUST ask how things can change and plan for it.........:
Burial : opening & closing $ 900.00: service at chapel @ mausoleum $ 300. Neither included in the original purchase of the mausoleum (3K) as it just wasn't done back then (30 + years ago). Oh those vaults are now selling for 10 - 12K.
Funeral: everybody on my mom's list done in 1980's & redone in 2000's is either dead or unable to physically be a pallbearer. That's what happens when they live to forever.....Also almost all who knew my mom, she has outlived or they too are in a NH & unable to go to a funeral or know what planet they are on. I am a very late in life baby (my mom was mid 40's when I was born) and most of my first cousins are in their 70's and only just a couple still live in the city where we grew up, so there won't be much family showing up at this point in time. Really it would be those neighbors who knew her as they grew up and now inherited & live in the old family home. I looked into doing a conversion of her pre need but it is written as an all or nothing policy so that's that. It does include a visitation @ the FH, so we are doing that at the FH. They can hold the body for a couple of weeks, so we will likely do the visitation so it can be on a Friday night to maximize travel. One of her neighbors is a deacon, so he will lead the service and get a payment.
At the time my dad died, church just asked for a donation. Now $ 300.00 fee plus
Also at the time of my dad's death & mom's pre-need, obituaries were basically done for fee by the newspapers (yeah, newspaperS). Well those days are gone (fewer newspapers) and there is a fee for obit's and extra charges for photos. A couple of hundred $$ on this.
Floral was not included and will run about $ 500.00 for a casket topper. The FH has a book to select from but you can select an outside vendor too. They are getting back to me regarding family bringing in florals. Some states (LA) are pretty strict in non-registered florists but my mom is in TX so we'll see.
Also when my dad died, the police escort was provided as a city service. Not so now and based on a 4 hour minimum 3 motorcycle. Billed to the FH and then to us.
About 300- 400. Back to the pallbearers, the FH can provide them @ $ 50 a pop if scheduled in advance. But if the day of the funeral, there are pallbearers who cannot carry and the FH has to substitute one, it's $ 75 per. So between the church costs, pallbearer and cop costs, we are not doing anything at the church or at the cemetery. Just the visitation at the FH on a Friday night and FH will transport the body to the cemetery the following week once it's been opened & the cemetery will do the casket insertion & closing ($ 900.00) Lettering prepaid!
Nothing extra bought or done. Instead I'll spend the $ & do a big brunch on Saturday with a full bar at my mom's house and set up a slide show & do a dump table of all the boxes of photos & slides for anyone to take.
Dealing with this has given me & my DH the decision to do a cremation. I'll get the urns @ Costco too. Family is well aware of what we want done with ashes too.
BTW if you are about to qualify for Medicare (turning 66), you will start to get in the mail all sorts of pre-need funeral & burial forms along with the multitude of Medicare secondary policy programs. Read carefully!
My advice is to go ahead and do it and if you want or need to make changes
when the time comes you can Good Luck
So if you're thinking plan, be sure your loved one is going to be staying put until death.
I think we each should make arrangements for our own demise and burial or cremation. We put it off for so long that it becomes the problem of our children. I am speaking to myself here as well. I think we are afraid that we may need that money for some emergency or something. I do have to say that when a new section of the cemetery opened up after my father's death, many people were actually "investing" their money by purchasing these plots to sell for a profit in the future.
When my sisters and I go to make arrangements for my mother this summer, I do not plan on mentioning it to her. It could prove to be upsetting and I do not want that to happen. She has already set aside money for it but we will just pre purchase it for her. With my father we asked for a bit more expensive vault for his casket to rest in when buried and I have to say it was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen!
Best wishes,
Sunny:)
God Bless,
Sunny:)
I think making arrangements ahead of time is the absolute best thing a person could ever do. My sisters and I are going out to take care of Mom's arrangements this summer so when the time comes it will be taken care of and we can grieve our loss and celebrate her life.