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I ask because if you do, you can not allow your mom to leave the facility with your siblings to avoid this happening again. If the POA said no leaving the facility with these people and they took her, they would be criminally prosecuted and their actions would not be held against your mom.
Can I suggest that if one of the siblings that took her out of the original facility is POA, that you ask them to resign if the doctor says it will get her moved and ask the doctor if he would accept her if the person that instigated the prior situation resigning would help.
I think that one challenge with leaving against medical advice is that the insurance company can not pay for services related to the 1st stay for a specific amount of time. This could be why the doctor says no, because they won't get paid for treatment. I would also enquire if she is eligible for hospice, this moves her from treatment to comfort care. Just some thoughts to get her in a facility that you feel will give her better care. She can graduate from hospice, so it doesn't necessarily mean the end.
I am glad that she is leaving him be.
It’s well worthwhile to investigate this stuff before anyone spits the dummy and backs off from the system. Also a good idea to put the responsibility back onto the family members who thought it was all a good idea.
You may just have to look at what you have and see if there is a way to improve the nursing home she is in. You say it's a nightmare, but how so? Are there things you can do to mitigate problems there?
I would notify Medicaid that your siblings have financially exploited your mom. Since they screwed up her good placement and are basically stealing taxpayers money by their shady real estate deal I think that they should pay the piper. Your mom is by being in a sh!thole facility.
This is what it looks like when you try to cheat.
You can also try to take her back to hospital & say you have nobody to care for her ....or get PRI from Nurse & pay about $100 & take it to any Nursing home administration office.
We all make mistakes..this is a big one your siblings made. Hopefully it will be corrected soon. Hugs 🤗
My sister took her to the hospital and the hospital found some decent nursing homes that accepted her at first, but when they got the info from the last nursing home that she left AMA they deny her. The hospital finally got one nursing home to accept her but it is by far the worst nursing home I have even seen.
I am really trying to figure out why leaving AMA is such a problem with trying to get her back in.
I am just giving you how I feel things may go based on my experience with Medicaid. How did ur siblings think they were going to pay for the new condo? All Moms income has to go towards her care.
So sorry you have to deal with this. Like I said, you may just have to sit down with Moms Medicaid caseworker and see what can be done.
How much of this hot mess did your mother initiate?
In what circumstances did she leave the last NH against medical advice? If it was messy and/or expensive, other facilities may decide they don't want to take the risk of admitting her.
What did the NH she left say when you approached them, and how long ago was it that she left?
Meanwhile, I think brother and sister had better take it in turns to support your mother at home until an acceptable place can be found for her - don't you?
Have you checked the assessor records online to see who the condo owner is? After I went through the experience with my twisted sissies, I have a very suspicious mind and trust absolutely no one.
First, ur probably going to have to reapply to Medicaid again to cover her longterm care. So, yes, it would be private pay until the application is approved. It may not be.
If she is on Medicaid for her healthcare (which I would confirm if she got it because she was in LTC) she may be able to get homecare.
I think what you may want to do is call Medicaid and see what needs to be done to get Mom back into LTC. Make sure they know that ur not the one that created this problem your just trying to find out ur options.
Boy, I would have killed my siblings. I would help but not give up anything. They made this mess they should clean it up. :)
It's just weird that other nursing home agree to take her until they find out she left AMA.
Anyway....
There is a process by which one gets into a NH; the easiest route is if a patient is in the hospital and gets placed by the discharge department. That lets you skip the waiting list.
Most likely, the only place with available beds is the least desirable one in your area. You CAN move mom once she's placed; the best scenario would be for mom to he hospitalized for 3 days and be eligible for a brief stint in rehab which would then turn into a long term care stay.
Has she been approved for long term care Medicaid or Community Medicaid? Those are two very different things.