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My Mom is still fairly young but has been diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia so I have her in a very nice ALF where she is just starting to get a tiny bit acclomated after a couple months, but she has fallen 3x and two of those times resulting in me being called in the middle of the night and taking her to the hospital. Thank God no major damage but I am petrified of her breaking a hip next time. Or worse! She is embarrassed to use the Walker I bought her and even has the aides put it up in her closet so she doesn’t have to see it. She told me she is too young and those are for old ladies. Any suggestions? 90% of the resident use a Walker so that’s not the issue.

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Erin, please insist that mom be transported to hospital ER by ambulance in the future. It's the best for her and for you. They know how to handle whatever might come up on the way to the ER, and you'd have a hard time dealing with such an emergency if you're driving her. There's also a psychological effect if she has to go by ambulance. She doesn't get your attention, for one thing. For another, if she thinks she's too young for a walker, she may be mortified by having to ride in an ambulance. Who knows? Dementia patients don't think like normal folks.

We went through similar issues with my mom. She happened to LOVE the attention she got with any ER visit. (Sigh.) For this reason, in case that happens with your mom, I'd advise to take your own sweet time before showing up to keep her company in the ER. I well remember those days! Let her sit there and get tired of not getting what she thinks is enough attention. No hovering over her in the middle of the night, bringing her juice, making sure she is warm. There are other people for that, so she won't suffer.

Tough love is not just for teenagers.

As far as walker use, you might drop casually into the conversation that if she thinks she's too young for one, how does she feel about being bed bound for the rest of her life after she breaks a hip? "Too young for that too? Mom? What do you think about that? Mom?"
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ErinFlorida Nov 2023
Love this! Thank you!!! ♥️
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My mother with vascular dementia and bad arthritis refused to use a cane. We convinced her that it wasn't a cane but a hiking stick. This she accepted.
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Beatty Nov 2023
Hiking stick - LOVE this!

Re-branded!

I'll use this on my future myself. When I am walking along in my frail bent body my mind can be picturing my sturdy, firm (yet curvy) body striding accross the landscape. Probably wearing uber-cool Nordic fashion. I may add a ski hat 🤣
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She has dementia. That means you cannot convince her to do anything.

She will continue to not use the walker, will fall and yes will probably break a bone. Prepare yourself for that eventuality. Maybe at that point she could be eligible for NH care. .
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My mom (83 at the time) insisted repeatedly, "I do not fall!" every time someone suggested that "perhaps a cane might be helpful" each time she did a face plant on the floor. I cannot count the times, she was black and blue, bleeding or had a goose egg on her head. She said, "I tripped," and instead took to using one of those grabber devices (you know the cheap plastic grabber things to reach something on the floor or high up in a cabinet). Of course the $5 dollar plastic grabber thing broke any time she leaned on it for any support. We went through many grabbers. Finally, during COVID, after she broke another grabber thing, I said "sorry, there were supply chain issues and NONE were in stock anywhere" that "she'd have to use the cane" that had been sitting in her closet for years. She really had no computer skills, no idea how to Google anything much less use Amazon, and the news was all about "supply chain" problems, you know NO TT paper and NO plastic grabber devices to be had anywhere in the US....She was fuming, but she then started to use the cane.

After nearly killing us both, me trying to hold her up to "walk" into an MD office for blood work during year the COVID shut down year; I said that is it we are getting a rollator for whenI have to take you to the doctor as I cannot try to hold you up and then we both "walk" without us both falling. The ONLY time it was used if she had an MD appointment. Unable to "walk" to the bathroom "in time" even with the cane became the routine, so I suggested a "potty chair" could be put by her bedside, "NO NO NO" was the response. Instead, soil the bed, floor, clothes -- that "is better" -- SURE.

Eventually, she had a really bad fall and laid on the floor for hours until I found her the next morning and that landed her in the hospital for 2 weeks, and to rehab thereafter and finally to a permanent nursing home long term care placement once the Medicare post inpatient rehab benefit ended. She of course had dementia, and a host of other things. And I was clear with the hospital, the rehab facility and LTC facility that I "WAS NOT" taking her back into my home where she had been living before and where I was doing the one-on-one care solo (Maddening!)....

Sorry for the rant, and sorry you are dealing with this. If they are oppositional to doing what they need to do in order to care for themselves OR to help those trying to help them/care for them; then the chips will fall where they fall. One cannot control what other people do generally and that is for sure true when the person has demential (regardless of the form). There is no reasoning with them, no rational explanation that they understand ever sticks and their behavior changes also make cooperation with what makes sense -- what might help them -- all goes out the window.

All one can do is to try to offer supportive devices that might help prevent falls; but some will just refuse. In the nursing home, my mom now uses a wheelchair which she calls her "go cart" as she does not remember the word for wheelchair. Sad

Wishing you the best of luck with this. Do what you can and importantly do what you can to care for yourself. This is an exhausting journey, and it is a journey not us want to be on.
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irwind45150 Nov 2023
Sohenc ...
Don't apologize. Your "rant" as you called it is nearly identical to what I faced with both of my parents (ages 89 and 88 at the time). They were still living at home (not Assisted Living). I received calls from them or Life Alert at 2:00 a.m., 3:00 a.m., and throughout the day stating one or the other had fallen.

I ultimately injured myself with the fall prevention or helping get up from a chair which resulted in my needing EMTs to assist getting them up after a fall. Still, they were adamant they didn't need a walker or cane. It was as though I was talking to the walls rather than my parent.

Like you, a serious fall that put them in the hospital and then rehab was the only way to get through to them. It's sad, and I've heard like stories from other people. Seniors (especially parents) don't want to hear the mantra "use your walker; use your cane" from loved ones. It has to be social workers, EMTs and Doctors who tell them, they can't be on their own and LC is the only solution.

ErinFlorida, I wish I could offer you and the others who are or have faced this situation with a solution. If there is one, before the serious fall, I too would like to hear it. And one last thing, DO NOT feel guilty when it comes down to placement in a long-term care facility for their health and safety.
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"Even tho the aids put it in the closet so she doesn't have to see it" may be a problem. She NEEDS to see it, and to be honest, the ALF are full of walkers. Of ALL KINDS. When my bro was in ALF they used to compare walkers in a bit the same way that the young compare THEIR wheels--their cars. A bit of bragging going on.

So see to it she has the cadillac of walkers.
Balance is SUCH a problem for the elders ( I know, I am one at 81 and often feel like a feather in the wind even tho I am active). Falls WILL happen to the aging whether without a walker or OVER a walker. My last two falls were backing up first into a rake, next into a mop. We just can't catch ourselves once we start to go.
It is a rare senior who, s/p several falls, doesn't want to accept that walker. You can only make it fancy, make it PROMINENT, beg, and on you go.

Falls can be the beginning of the end and we all know and have seen it. For my Mom it was. It went from falls to catheters to infections to pneumonia to more falls and so on.
The truth is that it is a harbinger of what's to come.

I hope others here have more useful info for you, and I wish you good luck. I am afraid it is hit or miss with having any luck with this. Do know, especially if you are dealing with DNR status, that trips to the ER, unless there is injury to the head, don't need to be done. But every facility will make its own decision. ALSO know that you don't need to attend each trip tot he ER. My own daughter is two states away. I will be on my own in that ER, and to be frank it's just as well.
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ErinFlorida Nov 2023
Thanks for your sweet response. I’m hoping in due time she will realize that she does in fact need a walker. Your idea of getting a fancy one is very good! I will look into that. And yes, one fall was a very hard hit to the head and the other was getting out of bed but was found still on the ground covered in urine, so I think the ER was necessary for both. Good luck to you and thanks again for the great advice!
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I just answered your other post so I will say at this point that with LBD, your mother is going to fall walker or no walker. It's part of the disease. And eventually she will be bedridden.
And of course with her dementia she is no longer thinking logically anyway as "logic doesn't live here anymore,"(one of my favorite sayings from my support group)so it doesn't really matter what she thinks or doesn't think about her walker, because even if she was open to using it she more than likely would forget anyway.
Older people fall....a lot. And people with many of the dementias fall a lot too, and there's not much you can do to stop them.
My late husband who had vascular dementia fell a lot. As in a lot. And I was always here with him in the house and usually not too far from him. And he used a hemi-walker as his right arm was paralyzed after his massive stroke many years earlier, and he still fell.
So there are no guarantees that if your mother starts using her walker today that you still won't get a call saying that she's fallen once again, as falling is part of the disease.
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ErinFlorida Nov 2023
Thank you so much for the advice! Super helpful!
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Sometimes, our family members will listen to others better than they listen to us. I was very concerned about my mother not wanting to use a walker.

At first I thought her reluctance was due to her being vain. My mother was very stylish. She was part of the Hollywood glamour era. She didn’t even go to the mailbox without her makeup on!

Actually, it was because she thought that a walker would get in our way and be an inconvenience to us. She didn’t want us to have to bother with placing in and out of the car and so on.

For awhile she did fine with a cane but as her Parkinson’s disease progressed she really needed the stability of using a walker. I became frustrated with her reluctance to allow me to purchase one for her.

Then, I decided to enlist the help of my friend who is a nurse. Mom loved my friend and they got along well. I asked my friend to speak with her about using a walker.

My friend told my mom how helpful it was when she was having trouble with her knees and used a walker herself. She raved about how much it would help her with balance issues and mom said that she would try it.

I was grateful to my friend and I was relieved not to feel like a nag.

I realized that mom wasn’t being vain and that she was thinking about inconveniencing us and wasn’t simply being stubborn.

My friend convinced my mom that it wasn’t an inconvenience to place a walker in and out of the car and that we were concerned about her safety.

I also had mom’s doctor speak to her about using the walker at all times.

Once mom started using her walker she loved it and it was a big help for her. This may not work for your mom but it is certainly worth trying.

There are many different kinds of walkers that come in all sizes to accommodate her needs. We bought her a nice rollator with a seat
that was also a storage space to place her purse in.

Best wishes to you and your mother.
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ErinFlorida Nov 2023
Thanks so much for your advice! Definitely dealing with a prideful situation here and she has no problem admitting it. She says they are for old people and does not need one (and actually believes this). Denial has always been a big issues for, even prior to getting dementia.
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Erin, your profile mentions mental health issues. Is mom being seen by a psychiatrist?

When mom falls, I hope you have the facility call 911 and have her transported by ambulance. I would not transport an elder who has he ad an unwitnessed fall.

If your mom doesn't have dementia, consider telling her that you will only meet her at the hospital if she starts using the walker. It's called "tough love".
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2023
Oh gosh, I should have read her profile before I answered. This sheds a whole new light on this situation.
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My sister has been using a walker (not all the time) since her late 20s, in spite of being an accountant and auditor with her own successful business. Now she usually zips around in a motorised wheel chair. The point isn’t age or pride or looks, it’s walking ability.

Do you take your mother out? I’d suggest that a condition of any outing is that the walker comes too AND IS USED.
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Same with my Mom. We have encouraged her to use “Ethel” for continued freedom. Her Aunt Ethel fell at home several years ago. Fell on a Saturday getting the mail. The mailman found her Monday sprawled on the enclosed porch. She had broken the hip. Mom was her primary care giver until she passed a few years later. Mom has fallen 4-5 times this year. The last time she lost consciousness for a few seconds. We have decorated her walker with “Bling”. Her facility also has Balance Therapy. They, too, encourage her. “Ethel” gives her freedom from the fear of falling.
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NeedHelpWithMom Nov 2023
I love how you named her walker, “Ethel.” It really drives the point home with a sense of humor!

My mother’s doctor called her walker her Bentley!
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