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Whether he uses it or not is his business.. and should not frustrate anyone else - God supplies us what we need (vs want) and if we make good used of it or not- that is between the individual and God.. and all those who are able to view or participate will benefit (or not) according to their ability to make good use of what God supplies. Providing care is not about forcing others to accept it, or accept/use it per you own views, but to provide it (per God's plan/guidance for your life) and and allow free will to work (others to use it - or not)..
These thread is not (imho) about Roscoe and what he does or does not do - but about his topic and what others have to add... all good stuff.. enjoy! :)
Don't allow anyone to tie up your energy in time wasting (no win-seeking to frustrate others) games about how they choose to live their lives.
p.s. if it was not clear- this applies to anyone who you may be providing/seeking to help. Three are none so helpless as those who seek to be helpless.. God help them- they will insure no one else can! personally, I will pray for all concerned :) and invest my time where it will serve all concerned/good purpose..
Roscoe, in a couple posts you indicate your intention to never forgive your sisters and to have nothing to do with them when Mom passes...and yet, if you had not needed so badly to be better than them, maybe Mom would not have been so empowered to let her narcissism blossom the way it has. They may be angry with you for taking Mom's side over theirs and helping create a monster. Their refusal to be drawn into your personal hell might be at least as forgivable as your being drawn into it. At some point, I pray that the pain of admitting they might be right In whole or in part may be less than the pain of being estranged from the family you have left on this earth.
You thought putting your mother first in your life was the only right thing to do and you did it. There has got to be some pain involved in realizing that maybe it wasn't. There is no real virtue In refusing to get the help that might let you see the situation differently. I think all of us could sympathize and empathize more with your situation if you weren't so busy telling yourself and us that you have always done the right thing and can't understand why it is so hideously unrewarding but you have to keep doing it anyway. Change is hard because it entails realizing that you were going about something the wrong way before, or that way will not work anymore, or both.
I completely agree with you, I defended against the pile on but when I saw it only further ignited the vitriol, I stopped, not for my own sake.
Most of the posts are tough love a few are nothing short of bullying.....probably from people who themselves are hurt.
Roscoe,
Web pages are only limited conversations with unknown people, please do seek out therapy to have a more complete dialog with a credentialed professional. From what you described you may have been emotionally abused, you may be depressed and you are definitely overwhelmed !
The good news is these hurts can be healed.
No judgement, just wishing you well
I know it sounds crazy. Looking back it WAS crazy. Why was I never strong enough to just tell her to go "F" off and get out of my life? That's why my name here is "getnstrong". Emphasis on "getn". If you have taken years of emotional abuse from early on, you think you deserve to be treated that way. Only hard work, a therapist, joining Adult Children of Alcoholic/Dysfunctional Families and now thankfully this wonderful lifeline has helped me help me assert the rights that I have as a human being to put myself first, and feel that my happiness is just as important as my mother's. It's as if some veil has been ripped off and I can see for the first time. What kind of mother would want her grown child to be a slave and sacrifice their life for them? I'll tell you....a very mentally sick one. And I agree with all of you, only Roscoe can change his life and stop playing the victim. I hope for his sake he realizes he is not "a saint", but a co-dependent and it sounds like he's emotionally abused. Roscoe, the only way to win in this situation is to refuse to play the game any more. You don't have to engage in an argument, just walk away. So many of us have been there, and have overcome. Life is short, and I can assure you, it is NEVER too late to change, but you'll never do it alone. People don't admire your "sacrifices", they just think you are a man who enjoys playing the victim. Hope you have the courage to seek help. Believe me, it is well worth the effort. It embarrasses me when I think of how many years I spent whining about my mother, and amazes me I still have any friends left. I got to the point where I was sick of hearing my own voice, telling yet another story of how awful my mother was/is.
As others can attest, I do get on the pity pot occasionally still, but it's no longer a way of life, but an incident or a need to vent sometimes, which we all do. Well, I hope you listen to the opinions of everyone here. Life is short, for God's sake, don't wait til you're on your own death bed and say, why didn't I try to change?
"I never had a desire to get married. I have too much at stake in case of a divorce."
Roscoe, what is your money for? You are desperately preserving it. Why? Who are you leaving it to when you are gone? I sure hope they get more joy out of it than you do.
A woman left her home and moved from Chicago to California to be with her mom who had cancer. She decided she needed to do it. She sold most all of her beloved books in order to do it. But she was not a victim. She took a good hard look at her values and though she valued books and education, she valued family and compassion more. She COULD HAVE driven to California ruminating and bitter about having given up her Chicago home and job and her books, but she didn't because the choice she made had to do with her own values and her own sense of self.
Yah, her Mom is probably much nicer.
But, that's not the point.
You ain't a saint if you make your choices grudgingly and bitterly and even try to pretend they aren't choices...and especially if you want everyone to pat you on the back and tell you we agree what a saint you are. When you have done good in public to glorify yourself, like a certain Pharissee mentioned in the Gospels, you have had your reward. You thought maybe Mom would give you gratitude and it ain't gonna happen; you thought maybe we would all keel over in admiration of your noble sacrifice, and because too many of us have been there done that, and shredded the T-shirt, that's not going to happen either. You ain't a saint. Most of us aren't either. We may have loved and sacrificed for our parents or other loved ones, made good decisions and bad, and struggled with them, but not too many of us think of ourselves as perfect people, just real live hurting people in real tough situations who may be able to give and receive help and support.
If you want to try stepping down off the pedestal and admit you are a human being with a demanding, difficult mom to care for, I bet being on here can help you. I think maybe you can do it, or I would not even bother writing again. Somewhere under the layer of BS you have been feeding yourself and us there is a man who wants a real life. And to be a REAL saint, you have to get real and have a real life.
In a word "No". Your mother cannot see all you do and sacrifice for her. If that is the reward you are waiting for, you will never get it. Your mother is not emotionally healthy - seems very narcissistic to me. You would benefit from looking up the site "daughtersofnarcissisticmothers", as it applies to sons of narcissistic mothers too. You will find much there that applies to you and your mother and the way she interacts with you, and the way you interact with her. She is using and abusing you, and you will get no thanks from her. My mother is all the things you describe of yours, but I don't allow her to control my life. You do have choices and I suspect you have a lot of anger and guilt which are tying you to your mother. I do not see you as a saint at all. God's instruction is to love others as ourselves. I do not see that balance in your relationship with your mum. I do not see you loving yourself. You say you argue with her. She will not ever, nor can she, see things as you see them. A narcissist is a bottomless pit of need who will engulf and enmesh anyone who allows it, and who has no gratitude for what others do for them. That is what you are dealing with. I am sorry that you are in this situation and I am sorrier that you continue to stay, looking for the appreciation that you will never get. Facing/accepting that you will never get it would be one good step. No amount of arguing or sacrificing on your part will make your mother into the mother you want and need. Many of us here have the same loss in our lives. It is sad.
"I could never leave because I'm in this for life." Really. Who made that decision? YOU.
"I just have too much goodness in me." No, what you're describing isn't 'goodness' it's masochistic and downright dumbness.
"....almost like that was a 'sentence' imposed on me." Yes. A 'sentence' imposed by YOU, nobody else.
"It was very hard to have a normal life under my circumstances." No shit!
"Yes, my lifestyle is very unhealthy, but It has become "normal" to me because this is all I know." Then take some of that money you say you've got and LEARN something different... like with a therapist.
"Even at the age of 88 she wants control and has not softened up one bit.....she will argue and fight back. I cannot go outside to get the mail without her worrying.......cannot do any yard work for any length of time. If on the rare occasion I go to the store without her......" Walk away, CHOOSE not to listen, and keep on keepin' on exactly what you were doing anyway. What's she going to do? Kick your ass?
"How would any of you like to stay home almost all of the time being a 24/7 caregiver and not being able to do anything that you want to do or to have any friends to go places with." I lived housebound, in prison, 24/7 with my own mother the last 5 years. And I'm not the only one around here, and neither are you.
"My mother shows no mercy to me." Neither did mine when she was mentally sound. Tell her to piss off.
" If I mention anything about this then my mother goes into a rage with me." **Yaaaawn** Oh, another rage. Big deal. Tell her to piss off and scream at the walls, as you walk out the door.
"She sometimes go into her bedroom and lock herself in when we "argue". Oh, thank GOD! Peace at last! Yay!!!! :D
" but I'm a saint" No, you're not. Not by any stretch of the imagination. I can think of a lot of things you are, but I'm working on my diplomacy.
" It not healthy being around another person 24/7....." Well, at least you got one thing right.
"Again, my mother expects this......it's her way or nothing" And? Your point? Who allows it? YOU do. Who lied to you and said you had to toe the line?
"As long as I'm her for her until she dies......that is all that matters to her." Piss on ALL such toxic people.
" I cannot build any relationship because my life is taken." No, it wasn't 'taken.' It was GIVEN. By YOU.
Roscoe, I avoid guys like you like the plague, and I don't give a tinker's damn how much money they've got. Nobody is going to make ME 100% responsible for their happiness, or their misery, it's too great a burden. We're each responsible for OURSELVES. Wake up and smell the roses.
The active voice version would be "I sacrificed my life ..."
I think this passive attitude is significant. You seem to think that what you are doing is controlled by some other force. And maybe that is true. Maybe you have been so thoroughly "brain washed" or "programmed" by you mother that you really have lost control.
Therapy can help you take control of your own life!
Many people have suggested this, and I have not seen your response to that suggestion. Have you ever tried it? Will you try it now?
My Mother had to go to a nursing home, after my sister died. My Mother is currently flourishing. Go figure.
"It figures........the son / daughter 'caregiver'.....gets screwed-over again......be good boys and girls......take care of your parents.....regardless.......go to any lengths to 'honor thy father and mother'.......and drive yourself nuts in the process......let your health suffer and quit your job and go broke and land in the poorhouse......yes.......being a 'caregiver' is just great!